Curse

Pi_Numurian · May 14, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

That sucks /signed

Stigmata Arta · May 14, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

/signed

Taurus · May 14, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

/Not signed

NERF ELONAS REACH FTW

Rampager · May 14, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

/signed

also there was something strange i just saw these 2 warriors there they were moving and saying everything at exactly the same time heres a screenshot

Neriandal Freit · May 15, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Necrotic

It is plain to me that you have no understanding of what a "bot" is. Bots are not some simple program by any stretch of the definition. They are written to make actions repeatable, not to simply move in straight lines. Well written ones rarely need any player input of any kind, and are quite capable of making adjustments....such as a re-cast of a particular buff if it is no longer present for whatever reason.

Sure...the better the bot the more time someone has to spend making it better...but the better the bot the harder it is to tell its a bot.

Ban bots....meh...I don't really really care because I don't view them as being the problem. The problem is that some armor/weapons and materials that are nearly essential to play competitively require more gold than you gain simply from doing missions, therefore you must farm....hence the gold farmers who sell to people who dont have time to farm but money to blow.

The point of those armors as I'm sure you know are for people to farm.

Bots dont get 15k armor. Bots get Ascalon Post Sear armor with they're runes and run around.

Farmers spend they're time farming for items, gold, and crafting material to show they're devotion to the game. I am one of those players. I have 15k Hydromancer armor and I worked (NOT BOUGHT) for every piece of gold that bought my materials and my dye.

I like farming. I dont like it when Bots who are made, used, and sold are here to sell more gold to lazy players who give us, the good players and 'true' farmers that ANET allows, a bad rap and rips us off.

Vermilion · May 15, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

I like farming. I dont like it when Bots who are made, used, and sold are here to sell more gold to lazy players who give us, the good players and 'true' farmers that ANET allows, a bad rap and rips us off.

Quoted for truth I can't really comprehend because its so very right.

Anyway, I agree with the OP. Of course, this is because if Elona is reached..people might realize how simple Hydra farming is. And if they nerf Hydras, I'll cry. :'(

Night Daftshadow · May 16, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I'm against this bot thing but I don't see any point Anet banning these bots. If Anet bans them, these people can simply buy another account and fire up bots again. It's like a rinse and repeat process. Also, Anet benefits from this in a way. By banning these accounts, they just buy another account and in return Anet makes money. You can sort of say it's a win-win situation for both Anet and these people using bots to farm gold and sell them for real life money.

I don't really see any real effective solution to this bot problem. Anet cannot completely stop this bot issue but they can slow it down. Instead of banning these accounts. May be Anet can temporary suspend these accounts. Like suspend the account for a few days and if the account is caught botting again, suspend it again. This way, the person who is using a bot to farm will produce a much lower amount of gold. It would be a waste of money for this person to go out and buy another account because their current account with the bot is not completely banned. But if you really think about it. These bots is a good thing for Anet but not for us. Anet makes more money when they ban these accounts since the people running these bots go out and buy more copies of Guild Wars. For us, we get are nerfed areas.

quickmonty · May 16, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Night Daftshadow

snip .... Anet makes more money when they ban these accounts since the people running these bots go out and buy more copies of Guild Wars. For us, we get are nerfed areas.

That is the problem as I see it. People complain about 'bots' overrunning an area and Anet, in order to appease the masses, nerfs the area. Bots move on and we, the players, get the short end of the stick. Let the bots be, and stop asking for area nerfs.

Aki Soyokaze · May 16, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

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Originally Posted by Night Daftshadow

snip .... Anet makes more money when they ban these accounts since the people running these bots go out and buy more copies of Guild Wars. For us, we get are nerfed areas.

That is the problem as I see it. People complain about 'bots' overrunning an area and Anet, in order to appease the masses, nerfs the area. Bots move on and we, the players, get the short end of the stick. Let the bots be, and stop asking for area nerfs.

Well if that is the issue then why not just cut the middle man and have anet sell gold for r/l money? I mean there must be some profit in having a bunch of farming bots running, selling the gold, having those bots banned, and then just buying new accounts. Otherwise we wouldn't see so many bots running continually. But that would probably be even worse for the economy than the bots.

So ban the bots, nerfing an area just forces bots to a new area and doesn't address the issue of selling gold over ebay for r/l money.

floplag · May 16, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

ok, i have to ask .. why elona ? whats so good about farming there that rthe bots have overrrun it ?.

parasite · May 16, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

/signed

Zhou Feng · May 17, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

You know if Anet put a strong cooldown rate for "farmers" sort of like the more the person farms the longer the crappier the items get and even no gold drops maybe this might help. Right now I see no real solution to botting.

Stolen Souls · May 17, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

/signed

Roupe · May 17, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

As to why,

Supposedly the ghostly hero at the start of the mission is good, for getting the bots bearing straight, by simply using the v command -they get the map in sync when running toward the friendly npc, and not random as when they started. and can then execute their preset commands.

If the ghostly hero was further in, and not as easily to locate, or had a more random spawn position. the bots would have more trouble , to say the least, for not ending up at walls

master chief matt · May 17, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

/signed

the entire game is being ruined by the bots, and i dont want to hear anyone saying that you cant ban bots b/c you cant identify exactly who all of them are, its very easy, just chill in elona rech for 5 seconds and watch 100 mo/w running to exactly teh same place(merchant then storage)

Sleeve · May 18, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Roupe

If the ghostly hero was further in, and not as easily to locate, or had a more random spawn position. the bots would have more trouble , to say the least, for not ending up at walls

i like that idea

Wessels · May 18, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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ok, i have to ask .. why elona ? whats so good about farming there that rthe bots have overrrun it ?.

minotaurs (loads of them) and dune burrowers

But I agree : don't nerf the actual spot- it doesn't solve anything because the bots will simply pick another location leaving the casual farmers empty-handed ( it's not like you can make huge amounts of cash there in a short time anyway ).

Kali Magdalene · May 18, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by sinisters chaos

/signed, i hate bots for they ruin farming BUT, do you guys realize that by banning bots about 75% of chinese players would not be able to play GW and that would not be good for GW business, i dont think a mass ban is in their minds atm

Farmers come from many nations.

However, banning farmers doesn't really hurt business. They just buy a new copy to replace the banned account and start over.

Fox Reeveheart · May 18, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

well another reason to ban the bots and NOT nerf elona is the fact that well... its something I notice...

if there are less people in an outpost, there is less lag, and for me being on just yahoo dsl, when i go into elona for my casual farming to get 1-2k every now and then, I find myself spending half the time loading up everyone else's character which is just 10000 Mo/W's moving in synch. and it just lags the hell outta me

booting these bots will help lag for some people like me too

Zhou Feng · May 18, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

I find no actual solution excpet that PEOPLE DONT BUY GOLD AT EBAY. Its not even worth it at all. Otherwise I dont really see how bots will get stopped.